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 end your UST woes
Author: wysiwyg 
Date:   22/07/03 15:23

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/yes_tubes/index.htm

praps a repost.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Simon Barnes aka OrangeP7 
Date:   22/07/03 15:25

yes a repost but still really good, especially the testimonials.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 16:54

Can I have the address of the host of the site?

I believe the images are breaking copywright and the content is deflamitory my lawyer is interested in the percentage cut of the damages.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Simon Barnes aka OrangeP7 
Date:   22/07/03 17:13

LMAO @ The Badger

Even you've got to admit that those pics and that site go hand in hand :^)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 17:25

What part of the phrase
"F*CK OFF!"

don't you understand.

Firstly

Those images show a tyre WITH A TUBE IN you f*ckwit and secondly I've never used the Stans system - I HAVE used the eclipse system.

1. the website is slagging off a product of company - they can sue you for this - justifiable criticism or poor reviews are OK but in this case the website is intentionally setting out to damage the products market.

2. the images of Oliver Hardy are owned by Larry Harmon Pictures Corp of America and they are already in several legal claims over the use of images of Oliver Hardy without permission.

3. I might be wrong (I did have a hangover) but I don't remember you being at wuthering Bikes so what the hell would you know about it? maybe you should get your fecking facts straight first before you "just have a laugh" at someone.

And as for anyone saying

"oh but we're laughing with you" Well I think I'm the one who decides that and thats not what I think from here. So for F*CKS SAKE GIVE OVER YOU BUNCH OF F*CKING ARSEHOLES!

(moderator: edited to remove swearing)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Kirstie 
Date:   22/07/03 17:28

oh dear...

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   22/07/03 17:29

"Deflamitory?"

So all that white gunk came from a fire extinguisher?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Kirstie 
Date:   22/07/03 17:34

Badger, don't rise to it! It'll only make it worse and encourage people to use the photo.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy Armstrong 
Date:   22/07/03 17:35

"oh but we're laughing with you" Well I think I'm the one who decides that and thats not what I think from here.

To be strictly accurate it's generally the person doing the laughing who knows what they're laughing at.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: M&M 
Date:   22/07/03 17:37

Badger - details of the site for you:





Organization:
Pete Fagerlin
Pete Fagerlin
5187 Keller Ridge Drive
Clayton, CA 94517
US
Phone: (925) 672-7692
Email: pete@petefagerlin.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: PARADIGMHOSTING.NET

Created on..............: Mon, Sep 23, 2002
Expires on..............: Tue, Sep 23, 2003
Record last updated on..: Sat, Jan 04, 2003

Administrative Contact:
Pete Fagerlin
Pete Fagerlin
5187 Keller Ridge Drive
Clayton, CA 94517
US
Phone: (925) 672-7692
Email: pete@petefagerlin.com

Technical Contact:
Everyones Internet, Ltd.
RackShack.net Technical Support
2600 Southwest Frwy. Ste. 500
Houston, TX 77098
US
Phone: 713-333-7873
Fax..: 713-942-9332
Email: support@rackshack.net

Zone Contact:
Everyones Internet, Ltd.
RackShack.net Technical Support
2600 Southwest Frwy. Ste. 500
Houston, TX 77098
US
Phone: 713-333-7873
Fax..: 713-942-9332
Email: support@rackshack.net

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RACKSHACK.NET 207.218.223.132
NS2.RACKSHACK.NET 207.218.223.162

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 17:37

Bez

No the white gunbk as explained many times was where I emptied the latex out of a tubless system in order to stick a tube in so I wouldn't miss the mornings riding. Have a look at the pictures theres a bloody tube in there FFS!

P.S. Stans No Tubes (TM) have a legal department which is very easy to contact and who read their emails reguarly by the looks of it! How do I know - well guess!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   22/07/03 17:39

So how did you put the fire out? Latex wouldn't work, surely?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: matt02 
Date:   22/07/03 17:57

this is jolly good fun, innit!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Ian Munro 
Date:   22/07/03 18:00

So if it's deliberate, what sort of twat just dumps liquid latex all over the paving slabs of someone elses property?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 18:24

Ian

fair enough at least its fair criticism - althoughb I did then wash it away with lots of water into a drain - dilute enough not to do any damage.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   22/07/03 18:29

Still, wasting a fire extinguisher like that seems pretty irresonsible to me.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Drac CHR 
Date:   22/07/03 18:31

I though it was Penguin jism.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 18:33

Bez

Go away or grow up.

You may have noted your poor attempt at wit has been ignored twice now - take the hint drop the joke!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   22/07/03 18:38

Ignored once, surely? You rose to the third one, and seemed to miss the first completely :o)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: jon2 
Date:   22/07/03 18:39

Has some of this thread been deleted? It doesn't quite make sense...

Anyway I'm pretty sure that there is a provision in law for using trademarked/copyright material for the use of parody, though it may only apply to the US (something about free speech and all). This would seem to apply in this case.

Anyway I find it all pretty funny even though it was "my" tubelesskits that were involved.




jw2

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Drac CHR 
Date:   22/07/03 18:42

Awwwww!

I've got to go to work, oh well have to catch up in the morning.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 19:20

No Jon - Your Tubless kit was NOT involved!

How many god damn times? The wheel in theat photo has what is technically known as a "TUBE" in it - it can be clearly seen - how then is this a good example of why not to use tubless?

The reason why the tyre exploded (and the gods help if I have to repeat this any more times) was a "DAMAGED RIM BEAD AND TYRE WALL" due to hitting a bloody great rock descending stairs lane in the dark with lights that kept going out due to a dieing battery! Fun until I hit the said rock!

As for the law allowing Parady - yes within reason - in this case the parady is intended purely to damage the buisness of "Stans no tube.com" and as such is not covered by the free speach rights under the US constitution!

Thanks

Now give over

I'm off to Asda as the morons dragging screaming children round an over warm supermarket is probably more interesting / enjoyable than you lot!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Ian Munro 
Date:   22/07/03 19:53



:)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: clarkson 
Date:   22/07/03 19:57

just pulling up a seat.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Simon Barnes aka OrangeP7 
Date:   22/07/03 20:23

Blimey, I go down the gym (yes I know, sorry) for a couple of hours and come back to this. Wonderful. Did we ever find out if the fire extinguisher was replaced?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: SlowOne 
Date:   22/07/03 20:33

Me too, when's the film start?


Oh, seems to be an interval with an advert for Asda - is that Jack Nicholson dragging those kids about or is it .......


'Ere, when does Asda shut?, 'e 'asn't gone to one of them 24 hour jobbies 'as 'e? Save me seat son, I'm off for a Jimmy and don't wanna miss the action .....

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   22/07/03 20:41

.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Gray 
Date:   22/07/03 20:49

Andrew - why didn't you just use a tube?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 20:51

yes my local asda is 24 hour and yes it was about as much fun as being kicked repeatedly in the head by a group of shaven headed BNP supporters - still you've got to laugh! At least the foyer greater was comic - tanoy announcements that are about as cheerful as eeyore with a hangover!

As for this crap - I've seen sense and decided your not worth bothering with - so feel free toss away tossers - I don't care anymore - this forum has hit about rock bottom anyway so a few more sticky tissue swamped idiots will make it no worse!

Anyone fancy starting a "wankings good for you" thread at least your comments might be based on personal experience!

see ya!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy Armstrong 
Date:   22/07/03 20:56

Andy - are you really this pissed off about a daft photo? I'm not taking the piss - I actually find it mind boggling that you've managed to take so much offence and generate so much ill feeling about, well, what exactly?

It's a funny picture. People like it and find it amusing. You happen to be in it. People who don't know you find the picture equally amusing ergo it has nothing to do with what people think of you. You've met plenty of the people on here and presumably they weren't openly masturbating in your presence. What's the problem?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 20:56

Gray

You asking me?

If so - my name is not Andrew and anyway like I said I did use a tube - its in the photo - feel free to look.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: matt02 
Date:   22/07/03 20:56

i don't want to **** you..

thanks for the offer though.. maybe ian will

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   22/07/03 21:01

I'm pretty sure Gray's wondering why you didn't use a tube _in_the_first_place_. Since you ended up using one in the end anyway...

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   22/07/03 21:04

now thats taking the p*ss mike, its quite clear why he used a tube. give the guy a break.
martin

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: matt2 
Date:   22/07/03 21:07

maybe he didn't use a tube as they are prone to bursting......

unlike tubeless....
...
OH .........

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Merlinman 
Date:   22/07/03 21:26

None of this is removing the grin from my face ;-)

Thanks Andy - when we eventually meet I'll buy you a pint (or two)!

MM

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: wysiwyg 
Date:   22/07/03 21:28

whoa!

wtf did i do?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   22/07/03 21:29

Forgive me, I'm probably slow or something. What's the obvious reason?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   22/07/03 21:32

"The reason why the tyre exploded (and the gods help if I have to repeat this any more times) was a "DAMAGED RIM BEAD AND TYRE WALL" due to hitting a bloody great rock descending stairs lane in the dark with lights that kept going out due to a dieing battery! Fun until I hit the said rock!"
clear now? read the posts & all will become clear ;-)
martin.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   22/07/03 21:34

Nope, I'm still not getting why he didn't have a tube in _at that point_. Sorry and all, it's late and stuff.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: clarkson 
Date:   22/07/03 21:35

*falling off the chair now*

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   22/07/03 21:36

so i take it you are still using canti brakes & riged forks then Mike?
martin.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Simon Barnes aka OrangeP7 
Date:   22/07/03 21:36

Mike, apparently tubes are no good as they can puncture, so some people use these special kits that mean you don't have to use tubes.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: wysiwyg 
Date:   22/07/03 21:37

i thought the pics were rigged, i guess not

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   22/07/03 21:38

Nope, I have full buy-in on all sorts of funky new techy stuff - clipless pedals, discs, full sus, 27 speeds.

You know, all the stuff that works.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   22/07/03 21:40

wys, you couldn't rig anything that good ;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   22/07/03 21:42

Mike, i think its a load of marketing tosh, but how many of us have bought the latest kit to realise all it is is tosh? the guy was just trying to go for a ride, & although the pic was funny the first time i can see why Andy thinks hes being ridiculed.
martin.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: wysiwyg 
Date:   22/07/03 21:42

what pedals?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   22/07/03 21:42

Andy
fair enough I suppose - the reason I find this picture annoying is because it gets posted by some people at least once a week and often in response to an opinion I give about something totally unrelated.

If they want to discus a subject - great its a forum after all but why keep posting that damn picture time and time again in a totally unrelated thread as if to say "hey this guys opinions are irrelevant look he can't even blow up a tyre" I find this annoying - I also find the constant posting of it annoying - I'm willing to accept its funny (or at least was) but after 9 months its getting to grate a bit.

Most of the time the people who are posting weren't even at Wuthering Bikes and they usually use the picture to ridicule the tubless system - which contary to what they believe does work for some people. But the picture shows me inflating a tyre with a tube in which then ruptured due to a bad rim bead.

Perhaps my comments above could have been less confrontational but then I would be being just as reasonable to say that others comments have recently been equally abusive or confrontational - sufficiently so that the thread got deleted the other day.

As to others questions about why I didn't use a tube before - because at the time I was running the tublesskit (and had been happily for 6 months) in order see what the tublesskit was like - to see if it worked. Just as Singletrack tests kit that the authors may not ordinarily use - to see what its like. Given the choice I will try something for myself and come to an opinion based on experience rather than on the rants of one side or the other of a interest group (well sort of interest group I suppose).

It turns out that I found out there is a problem with the system that if you hit a big enough rock at enough speed you can sometimes loose all the air (just as you would with a pinch flat) and when this happens sometimes the rim bead gets buggered - just like happens very occasionally with a tube - probably slightly more often to be fair.

But then I knew the system was a compromise - but lets face it if we weren't interested in trying anything new we would all still be riding a roadbike frame with rigid forks and we thin wheels (hang on thats cyclocross - just kidding! ;-) )

I now use the system only on the front where it isn't prone to the increased pressures caused by my weight on a bike! And on the new bike I Mavic UST rims and Conti UST tyres - now you can debate whether UST is worth the money all you like but personally I think the conti vert UST on a mavic rim a stunning combination - I have difficulty getting the damn tyres on and theres no way in hell they are comming off in a hurry on a ride so all in all I can't see much wrong with them - I stuck a tiny bit of latex in to help them seal round the rim and I have a UST tubless repair kit - never used it in 6 months - so far so good.

Since I have taken my time to calmly write this I've probably missed all sorts of daft, abusive, odd and downright out the ball park comments on this thread but unless any of them are going to add to the thread I'm off to look at the other threads and then find a good book to read whilst listening to some music.

perhaps this will put an end to this area (although I doubt it).

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Simon Barnes aka OrangeP7 
Date:   22/07/03 21:48

Thanks Andy, you've actually answered a question I was about to ask - would the tyre bead have been damaged if you were using a tube.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: scorcher seb 
Date:   22/07/03 22:41


Surely the only group who should take offence at this are the "UST" people (Re: end your UST woes), as that is nothing to do with Stan's No Tubes.

Re: The Badger, from what I know of Pete he will find your reaction hilarious, even if you're not the one he was trying to get a rise from.



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: scorcher seb 
Date:   22/07/03 22:45

Oh, and I wouldn't recommend trying to get heavy with him. He will only get more amusement from it, and can probably afford a better lawyer than you.

;o)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: jon2 
Date:   22/07/03 22:58

hhhhummmmm

Well then, I can understand why Andy gets a bit annoyed about seeing the picture all over the place, however in such circumstances it's probably best to feign indifference. It still makes me chuckle, particularly coupled with comments like Mike D's above. But I can see it getting annoying after a bit.

Andy Badger you should probably remember that there are far worse things you could have been photographed doing, if the John Bryans of this world can cope with infamous photos I'm sure you can find a way.

As to the bit about deliberately trying to damage Stan's notubes business, I don't think so... there is for some reason so much hyperbole from evangelical advocates of the various tubeless systems (myself prob'ly included) that it needs a contrary view to even it up a bit. Yes they do work great, but none will change your life in any radical way. It's just a way of going slightly faster and getting less flats.


jw2

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: martin 
Date:   23/07/03 00:27

On threads like this its quite fun to read thru small sections of every other reply...getting thru them all in approx 15 seconds!

By doing this you get the jist of the topic,without the stress!


Or should i read them all carefully?


:O)



...< is off to bed.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: jon2 
Date:   23/07/03 01:41

you are a sad, sad man Dan.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mad aussie 
Date:   23/07/03 07:12

children, children, children, now grow up.
UST isnt for everyone, but if you live in an area where sharp rocks and cactus abound (think Phoenix Arizona) then combined with sealant it is great. In local racing you see half the field on tubeless, sure beats inflating to 60psi to avoid pinch flats, and then still getting a thorn in the tire. I once removed 7 thorns from the tire after a race and it had only lost a couple of PSI.
If you dont want or need the hassle of the system, greater cost, different technique in putting on the tire, weight increase, then run regular tubes and enjoy the riding. Thats what its all about anyway.
Well off to do some mountain singletrack. Got a few isolated showers last night after 90 days without rain.
Enjoy your mud.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   23/07/03 08:44

To be fair, it's not just The Badger who's had tubeless "issues":





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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The badger 
Date:   23/07/03 09:31

lol at MikeD

Definately not me, give me some credit - I would not be seen dead in sandles and socks! ;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mailto:chelmercycles@ukonline.co.uk?subject=Re: end your UST woes 
Date:   23/07/03 10:22

" I would not be seen dead in sandles and socks! ;-)"


Were you trying to use the latex to keep your feet dry ??

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Marc 
Date:   23/07/03 10:25

oo hello thats me!

to be fair, tubeless technology in the 70's was a bit iffy, and that isn't liqud latex.

Oh and if you haven't got pegs on your bars, you are just not into the scene.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mailto:chelmercycles@ukonline.co.uk?subject=Re: end your UST woes 
Date:   23/07/03 11:06

Aren't you going to throw a tantrum Marc??

Your at least young enough to justifiy
it.. ;-]

So was that eclipse or Stans???
There legal eagles are ready!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: debs 
Date:   23/07/03 11:25

oi

what's wrong with cantis and rigid forks?

are you picking on me now?

;)



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: nbt 
Date:   23/07/03 12:38

I've been laughing my arse off. I'd seen the "Olly" site and thought it was bloody hilarious. Didn;t realise that Pics was you badger and despite hagning around here and bikemagic have *never seen it before*. I have however seen Dan's penguin version somewhere or other.

Take a step back and look at it from the point of view of someone not involved. It's parody pure and simple, and very effective

And by the way, the only time I've seen anything like *your* wheel was not too far from the scence of your incident, up on Sahckleton Moor (just past the (in)famous House of ****): StuN's back wheel just exploded as he rode up a small rock - we're talking 2" high, not even sharp. About 12" of rim was bent outwards, tyre shredded and 8" of inner tube un-accounted for to this day. Yep, that's right, TUBES not UST

anyway, back to work.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: el_boufador (neil) 
Date:   23/07/03 13:28

I got tipped off about this thread - bloody hell!

Regardless of UST/stans/eclipse/whatever performance, that pic of andy is one of the funniest EVER mtbing pictures. One of the only pics I have ever seen which is utterly hilarious to MTBers, but incomprehensible to anyone else (although the penguin version is probably funny to everyone)


If it were me in the photo instead of Andy, I would be proud.

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 Ok, this is hilarious.
Author: JustSomeYank 
Date:   23/07/03 16:27

Andy Holland, in addition to being an incredible whiner, you are a complete idiot.

But you make up for your idiocy by being VERY entertaining, which I thank you for.

"Dear Sirs,



I am writing with regard to your website, (http://www.paradigmhosting.net/yes_tubes/contact.htm).



I have passed the URL of your site to Stan’s no tubes manufacturers in order for them to pursue you for damages to sales of their product.



In addition I note that the images being used in the “testimonials” portion of the website are of myself and a wheel (showing an inertube which was ripped by a damaged rim bead on the tyres.) These images are misleading – the system I use is not “Stans No tubes” system and when these images where taken the wheel being inflated had a tube inside it. Remove the images of myself from the website within the next 48 hours or I will instruct my lawyer to pursue the matter. Under the recent act of parliament the use of images of an individual in a negative light without that persons express permission is an invasion of their privacy and as such I hereby notify you that I am withholding any such permission with regard to the images contained on your website.



I also wish to inform you that you are breaking copyrighted material as the worldwide publicity rights to all images of Oliver Hardy are owned by the Larry Harmon Pictures Corp. of America.



Yours Faithfully,



Mr. A.D. Holland B.Sc., M.Sc., CRFP.'

#1. Just because your fat ass is in a picture does not mean that you own the copyright to said picture. Have your attorney check into US law.

#2. It seems that the root of your distress is that you are an extremely insecure person, as evidenced by your posts here and your hilarious email. Perhaps your attorney could recommend a good psychologist, or even a few decent hookers?

#3. In response to your reaction to the Oliver's parody site:

Stuff it up your big fat ass, have a few pints, and get over yourself already.

Then find someone to buy you a proper sense of humor (hell, one would expect that someone raised in the culture that brought the world Monty Python would have a head start on this part, but you never know....).

Best of luck!

p.s. Perhaps I should substitute this picture instead?

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/yes_tubes/index_files/babyandy.jpg

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 Re: Ok, this is hilarious.
Author: Drac CHR 
Date:   23/07/03 16:32

That's I'm sueing you all for damage to my ribs, arrse and pi$$ marks on my chair.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: clarkson 
Date:   23/07/03 16:36

Badger didn't *really* send that Email to PeteF did he ?

surely no-one could have a sense of humour failure that big ?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   23/07/03 16:37

ROFLMAO

Oh to hell with it then!



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: OllyW 
Date:   23/07/03 16:37

Pure Class :-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: alter.ego 
Date:   23/07/03 16:38



if anyone missed petes link

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: alter.ego 
Date:   23/07/03 16:39

lmao @ bez

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: JustSomeYank 
Date:   23/07/03 16:40

Regardless of whether Andy is just pulling my leg (does that translate into the Queen's english?), he did send that hilarious email.

Headers for the geeks who care about such things:


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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: M&M 
Date:   23/07/03 16:42

There's grown men crying in this office & rolling around banging fists on the floor.

Please stop now we've got work to do.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy Armstrong 
Date:   23/07/03 16:43

I suspect he may have been serious Pete - it all got a bit much for him yesterday. I think (hope) he sees the funny side of it now. The man's a complete celebrity for f*ck's sake! :)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: nbt 
Date:   23/07/03 16:46

My cheeks hurt from laughing - thank you Pete and Bez for those *most* entertaining colages

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Merlinman 
Date:   23/07/03 16:47

...and so say all of us ;-)

Bez, you b*stard - I've just spilt tea all over my keyboard :)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: matt02 
Date:   23/07/03 16:50

I laughed so hard i have a headache now!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Merlinman 
Date:   23/07/03 16:50

..and when it comes to the 'Singletrack Awards Evening' - guess what my nomination for Distinctive Service will be?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Gray 
Date:   23/07/03 16:53

It is proving very difficult not to attract attention to myself here at work by laughing too much!

Pete - rest assured that Andrew Bodger is not representative of the humour levels generally to be found here! Thank you for sharing Mr Holland BS MS KJHFHLHSGDF's comedy email with us.

Bez - I love you.

That is all for now.

Gray

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy Armstrong 
Date:   23/07/03 16:53

Yes! There's got to be an award in it for Andy, surely...

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: bluegiro 
Date:   23/07/03 16:59

Andy
Hope he takes it graciously and doesnt tell you all to shove it where the sun doesnt shine, he really doesnt seem to have a sense of humour where the pics are concerned anymore ;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: M&M 
Date:   23/07/03 17:15

Ever thought of suing STW Badger?
I believe that they are legally responsible for the content of this here site - Mark told me this when he banned me from arguing with him.


You may not have much of a chance of winning but the cost of defending it may well make them decide to pull the photos + this & other threads.

:)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: bluegiro 
Date:   23/07/03 17:18

M&M

Do you ever know when to keep your comments to yourself?
;-p

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Gray 
Date:   23/07/03 17:28

I have to say that I find talk of suing quite entertaining.

Mr Badger BSc MSc CRFP may have mentioned deflation of character or somesuch, but really... hello?

Surely no lawyer (even in today's bonkers society) would go near a case like this?

"Please sir, they were making fun of me and wouldn't stop!"

"Oh dear, that's a shame."

"I want them to give me lots of money to make for it."

"Um, tough ****."

I'd make a great judge. :-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Notorious MTB 
Date:   23/07/03 17:48

At least he's not "Ouchy The Clown" here.

JD

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The badger 
Date:   23/07/03 17:54

lol

I like the one of concord!

I've had far to good a day to be bothered by this numpty american - oi Pete ever tried to blag something? Surely you can spot a email clearly designed to blag it?


For the rest of you - the email was sent to the company who are the registered owner of the domain and only cc'd to PeteF. my mate james and I had a bet to see if they would take it serriously or not (he reckons americans are litigation happy! so would back down) oh well he owes me a pint.

M&M - nah that'd ruin the fun!

Just one thing Pete did you have to stick the header info up in its entirety - I keep having to up the server security on my home server from vrius stuff as it is - you'd get narked off it I did the same to you from your email - imagine some idiot using it to get in to get to all those nice videos you host?

Anyway at least it cheered the rest of you all up ;-)

The Badger

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Kirstie 
Date:   23/07/03 17:57

Bez, I really wonder what goes on in your head sometimes...

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Merlinman 
Date:   23/07/03 17:58

"well he owes me a pint"

Actually, Andy, I think several of us do :-)

MM



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: JustSomeYank 
Date:   23/07/03 17:59

"I've had far to good a day to be bothered by this numpty american - oi Pete ever tried to blag something? Surely you can spot a email clearly designed to blag it?"

Please help a poor Yank out and translate "blag" for me.

"For the rest of you - the email was sent to the company who are the registered owner of the domain and only cc'd to PeteF."

Uh, there is no company that is the registered owner of the paradigmhosting.net domain.

It's registered to an individual. Me, in fact.

"Just one thing Pete did you have to stick the header info up in its entirety - I keep having to up the server security on my home server from vrius stuff as it is - you'd get narked off it I did the same to you from your email - imagine some idiot using it to get in to get to all those nice videos you host?"

Ah, another joke. Good one!

Cheers anyway (seriously),

Pete

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Drac CHR 
Date:   23/07/03 18:04

Oh is just gets better.

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 Just wanted to let the Badger know....
Author: Informer 
Date:   23/07/03 18:05

That more people are laughing "at" him than he even knows.

http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@46.eMYcaSVjFoB.3279546@.efbe225

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The badger 
Date:   23/07/03 18:12

Organization:
Pete Fagerlin
Pete Fagerlin
5187 Keller Ridge Drive
Clayton, CA 94517
US
Phone: (925) 672-7692
Email: pete@petefagerlin.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: PARADIGMHOSTING.NET

Created on..............: Mon, Sep 23, 2002
Expires on..............: Tue, Sep 23, 2003
Record last updated on..: Sat, Jan 04, 2003

Administrative Contact:
Pete Fagerlin
Pete Fagerlin
5187 Keller Ridge Drive
Clayton, CA 94517
US
Phone: (925) 672-7692
Email: pete@petefagerlin.com

Technical Contact:
Everyones Internet, Ltd.
RackShack.net Technical Support
2600 Southwest Frwy. Ste. 500
Houston, TX 77098
US
Phone: 713-333-7873
Fax..: 713-942-9332
Email: support@rackshack.net

Zone Contact:
Everyones Internet, Ltd.
RackShack.net Technical Support
2600 Southwest Frwy. Ste. 500
Houston, TX 77098
US
Phone: 713-333-7873
Fax..: 713-942-9332
Email: support@rackshack.net

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RACKSHACK.NET 207.218.223.132
NS2.RACKSHACK.NET 207.218.223.162

This is what I mean a "whois" query gets you the above (thanks M&M for saving me the trouble) and as you can see whilst yes Pete is the owner of that Domain this suggests that the Domain is hosted by Rackshack.net

Now like all companies they have a policy on what is hosted by them and the bet between james and I was that he reckoned they would kill the webserver access to the machine with Paradigmhosting's content on it till they worked out what was going on - so we sit there last night and he dictates an email which he reckoned would do the trick - clearly it didn't work so he owes me a pint - although we did say 48hours so I could still have to cough up!

Trying to get his site killed was perhaps a bit of a crappy thing to do but then so are the pictures so PeteF I think we're all square!

;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: scorcher seb 
Date:   23/07/03 18:14

I tried to warn him. ;o)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The badger 
Date:   23/07/03 18:22

come on I've never had a thread go over 100 replies - nearly there! (hang on I suppose its wysiwyg's thread - oh well)
;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Ian Munro 
Date:   23/07/03 18:29

Now like all companies they have a policy on what is hosted by them and the bet between james and I was that he reckoned they would kill the webserver access to the machine with Paradigmhosting's content on it till they worked out what was going on - so we sit there last night and he dictates an email which he reckoned would do the trick - clearly it didn't work so he owes me a pint - although we did say 48hours so I could still have to cough up!

Wow, you sure know how to have a fun night.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Anne 
Date:   23/07/03 18:32

LOL@Ian

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   23/07/03 18:33

Bez, I really wonder what goes on in your head sometimes...

The wheel is still spinning but the hamster's left the cage.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: M&M 
Date:   23/07/03 18:36

Hey, no problem doing the whois for you badger - just tyring to keep the thread going. :)

Have you thought of maybe suing Andy for making the photos available? ;)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: JustSomeYank 
Date:   23/07/03 18:43

"This is what I mean a "whois" query gets you the above (thanks M&M for saving me the trouble) and as you can see whilst yes Pete is the owner of that Domain this suggests that the Domain is hosted by Rackshack.net

Now like all companies they have a policy on what is hosted by them and the bet between james and I was that he reckoned they would kill the webserver access to the machine with Paradigmhosting's content on it till they worked out what was going on - so we sit there last night and he dictates an email which he reckoned would do the trick - clearly it didn't work so he owes me a pint - although we did say 48hours so I could still have to cough up!"

Oh boy, I guess I see how you and your pal could make those assumptions but your efforts to get the site closed down are funny considering the real facts.

I own the domain.

I have a dedicated server that is hosted by Rackshack so they don't host the domain.

Many of Rackshack's clients run hardcore porn sites so I'm sure the admin guys are laughing their asses off about some Brit whining about a picture of him holding a bike pump in front of a puddle of spooge.

"Trying to get his site killed was perhaps a bit of a crappy thing to do but then so are the pictures so PeteF I think we're all square!"

No problem.

Just imagine how someone could make a Phd candidate's life "interesting" if they started to send their University, Rob Janaway, Mark Pollard, Dr. Randolph Donahue, etc. etc. complaints about various things if someone did have a problem with your idea of entertainment.

That would be "crappy," eh?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Jive Tolkien 
Date:   23/07/03 18:49

To steal one of Mr Fagerlin's most oft-used phrases:

"Oh my."

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   23/07/03 18:50

LOL

Glad you're starting to see the amusing side of it now Badger.



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: M&M 
Date:   23/07/03 18:56

I've been expecting a photo of him blowing up ;o) the Hindenburg to appear any day soon.

:)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: OllyW 
Date:   23/07/03 19:04

It's only a matter of time.................

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Kirstie 
Date:   23/07/03 19:30

ROFL!! You're a celebrity now, Andy!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: phatlizard 
Date:   23/07/03 19:32

now I know who killed Kennedy!!!

Could someone please translate: BSc MSc CRFP to me ...

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Ian Munro 
Date:   23/07/03 19:37


TaDa!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Bez 
Date:   23/07/03 19:39

ROFLMAO!!

New ribs please doctor!!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Kirstie 
Date:   23/07/03 19:41

Badger, you have to laugh at this... please...! I am... HELP! I need oxygen...!!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: 2unfit2ride 
Date:   23/07/03 20:06

that pure class Ian, sorry i can't be with the BTT crew tonight, Andy im glad your seeing the funny side, if you laugh with them & all that.
hope all goes well for you all.
martin.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   23/07/03 20:58

lol.

Nice Ian mind if I nick it for my website? In fact come to think of it is it OK if I use the images you've all come up with - think I'll make a small gallery of them on the MTB page of my site.

;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   23/07/03 20:59

Phatlizard - B.Sc. Bachelor of Science,
M.Sc. Master of Science.
CRFP - total gibberish I just wrote down what came into my own head - sort of a give away but then PeteF seems to have taken it hook line and sinker!

;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy Armstrong 
Date:   23/07/03 21:46

Yeah, you have to get a gallery going Andy.

Glad you're enjoying the attention now :)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Gizmo 
Date:   23/07/03 22:32

badger can i have an autograph before you get famous and forget about the little people?

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Gizmo 
Date:   23/07/03 22:46




This is so last week, I'm sorry I'm sorry!



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 Re: Ok, this is hilarious.
Author: Tim 
Date:   23/07/03 23:11

FFS. Im tempted to find the most embarrasing pic of myself i can find and post it!!!!!

At the end of a day its a website, its not work or school or uni or something that you cant avoid!!

oh and the lawyer stuff had me in stitches :-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Tim 
Date:   23/07/03 23:19

But good to see you have realised the funny side of it now

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   23/07/03 23:36

Yeah well if you can't beat them!

;-)

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 With all these photoshoped pics...
Author: CraigH 
Date:   24/07/03 02:38

I'm expecting to see a photo of the Badger standing on top of the World Trade Center, something like this guy.

<img src="http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/uhoh.jpg">

As I recall someone did a huge series of him in just about every famous photo.



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 Let's try that pic post again.
Author: CraigH 
Date:   24/07/03 02:43

http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/uhoh.jpg



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 OMFG ROTFLMAF HELP!
Author: Bikezilla 
Date:   24/07/03 06:45

Holy crap,

it's 1:40am here, I somehow just found myself here from mtbr.com

I'm trying like hell not to wake up the whole house laughing my a$$ off!!

I thought the Oliver's site was funny but THIS! oh man. I'll need a second life just to keep up.

WeeeHA!

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 Re: OMFG ROTFLMAF HELP!
Author: Drac CHR 
Date:   24/07/03 07:22

Awww!

You've spoilt it all now Badger.

FFS! You should have done that in the first lpace.

STW will never be the same again.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: phatlizard 
Date:   24/07/03 08:15

Phatlizard - B.Sc. Bachelor of Science,
M.Sc. Master of Science.


Very impressive - and what is next? Dr. Evil ... ???

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 Re: OMFG ROTFLMAF HELP!
Author: The badger 
Date:   24/07/03 09:23

Don't be silly....

PhD in demonic laughter!

;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Mike D 
Date:   24/07/03 09:36

Since we're all friends now:

http://www.oolite.co.uk/randompics/badgerbus3sml.gif

(May contain strong language)



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Markie 
Date:   24/07/03 09:48

Please can the next edition of STW be dedicated to this thread? it must be preserved for future generations. Or perhaps it deserves to be commemorated with a limited edition hardcover book? I'd want it for Christmas...

Amazing.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: el_boufador (neil) 
Date:   24/07/03 10:03

mike D - I'm crying with laughter!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: phatlizard 
Date:   24/07/03 10:11

You need a manager for the merchandising-strategy now - there is lots of money in this ... !!!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Andy_Goods 
Date:   24/07/03 11:00

thats it I've wet my pants.......!!!!:)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: snakebite 
Date:   24/07/03 11:01

mikeD-good effort, everyone in the office is looking at me...they think i have hay fever....

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: rjw 
Date:   24/07/03 11:18

CRFP - total gibberish I just wrote down what came into my own head - sort of a give away but then PeteF seems to have taken it hook line and sinker!

So nothing to do with you falsely claiming registration with the Council for the registration of forensic practioners?

;)



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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Dave_A 
Date:   24/07/03 11:26

Lol MikeD :-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Darren 
Date:   24/07/03 14:36

Absolutely bloody hilarious. All of it (well most of it anyway). Especially the pics. Just got some very strange looks from people at work because I was laughing so much.

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mrhallorann 
Date:   24/07/03 16:13

I can't believe I've only just found this thread.

This surely must go down in the history books, or as Markie says - at least get a mention in the next magazine :D:D

utter pure class - brightened up my afternoon all round.

I'm getting that picture made into a T-shirt badger.

Thanks for ALL the pics and gifs folks - genius.

dick hallorann

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: The Badger 
Date:   24/07/03 16:15

lol MikeD

Phatlizard you could be right about the merchandising. actually I know of this American guy who's good at advertising a product, now where did I put his name.... oh yes ..

PeteF you there?

;-)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Guy 
Date:   24/07/03 18:00

LOL @ Gray "..deflation of character.." !!!

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: Ben_Haworth 
Date:   25/07/03 00:21

You know the award for best photo in this year's Singletrack awards?....

:o)

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mrhallorann 
Date:   25/07/03 09:35

Good call Ben. Get voting people!

:D

dick hallorann

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: piersb 
Date:   25/07/03 15:39

been away for 2 weeks

i'm utterly breathless now

thank-you thank-you thank-you

:D

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 Re: end your UST woes
Author: mailto:brant@on-one.co.uk?subject=Re: end your UST woes 
Date:   27/07/03 18:02

top stuff

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